[17:24]* technomancy is personally worried that steve yegge's Rhino-based project will slow adoption of helma [17:24]<zumbrunn> no way... [17:25]<zumbrunn> making people aware of javascript/rhino as a server-side alternative can only be helpful [17:25]<zumbrunn> don't think so? [17:26]<technomancy> there's a danger you could have a situation like with Arc; everyone is waiting for it to be released, but the developers have little incentive to release until it's "perfect", so other hackers put off learning (CL/server-side JS) until they can use it with (Arc/the Yeggemobile) [17:27]<technomancy> if it were released and people could compare the two and think about the advantages of one over the other; great. but as it is people are just dealing with vague ideas/hype from the other project. [17:29]<zumbrunn> true, but at least this might make many people look at helma and consider it, that otherwise would never even have known that it exists [17:32]<technomancy> i hope so. =) [17:42]<zumbrunn> a) wait 3 years and see if Google comes up with something that matches your expectations [17:42]<zumbrunn> b) use Helma and provide feedback to evolve Helma in the direction you expect *now* [17:44]<zumbrunn> ...plus... at the very least through their work on Rhino, Google will contribute to Helma [17:44]* zumbrunn hopes so :-)