Hopbot log for 2007-07-22 - Helma IRC channel: #helma on irc.freenode.net

2007-07-22:

[4:46] <jsp> ok, well at least it only took me 20 min to redo my users thing to use the helma stuff correctly
[4:47] <jsp> thanks again for the pointer
[4:48] <jsp> have you done anything with building a more sophisticated user authentication atop Helma's users? e.g., don't store the passwords in plain text, provide cookie tokens to automatically login if desired, etc.?
[19:59] <rjb_> re
[19:59] <rjb_> any of you guys have an opinion on phobos?
[20:00] <rjb_> https://phobos.dev.java.net/
[20:02] <zumbrunn> from what I've seen it looks rather code-in-template centric
[20:02] <zumbrunn> as opposed to "rails-ish"
[20:03] <zumbrunn> but I think it is good for "javascript on the server-side" that it exists
[20:04] <zumbrunn> how well do you know it, rjb_?
[20:04] <rjb_> not at all
[20:05] <rjb_> i just learned of its existence
[20:09] <jsp> looks like too heavy on the heavy java stuff. and I don't really trust the sun folks to do something actually dynamic
[20:10] <rjb_> they want you to use netbeans for even the simplest tutorial example
[20:10] <jsp> yeah. that's the sort of thing I mean
[20:11] <rjb_> puts me off a little
[20:12] <jsp> and javascript is actually extraordinarily difficult to do a good IDE for, so I think these are in descending order of likeliness: "the IDE is important b/c you have to do lots of boiler-plate garbage as is common in Java" "the IDE helps if you use JavaScript in the suggested limited way" and "they've actually written a good javascript IDE"
[20:14] <zumbrunn> you forgot the most likely one: "the IDE helps if you want to avoid actually writing any Javascript" ;-)
[20:14] <jsp> heh
[20:14] <jsp> if you do try it, let us know. gtg for now myself
[21:14] <rjb_> well i don't think i'll be actually trying it, was just curious
[22:41] <rjb> what i definitely do plan to play with though is the h2 database
[23:55] <rjb> yay, henplus (http://henplus.sourceforge.net/) works very nicely with h2

 

 

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