Hopbot log for 2007-10-15 - Helma IRC channel: #helma on irc.freenode.net

2007-10-15:

[0:08] <BSlivka> I need an example of an application with users
[4:57] <BSlivka> Also, I can't find anywhere on the helma site a description of exactly what a "collection" is, or what its properties or possible actions are.
[5:01] <BSlivka> There are plenty of references to collections to be sure, and it may be possible to deduce what they are from those...
[5:02] <BSlivka> but an actual official document about collections would be nice
[7:00] <zumbrunn_> hi BSlivka
[7:00] <BSlivka> Ah hello!
[7:00] <zumbrunn_> I agree about the need to document collections appropriately
[7:01] <BSlivka> I would help, except that I don't know what collections are, so I am a poor candidate!
[7:01] <zumbrunn_> the gobi app is one example where you see users in use
[7:01] <BSlivka> I have a vague notion
[7:01] <BSlivka> Okay, I'll have a look at that
[7:01] <zumbrunn_> another would be antville or twoday
[7:02] <BSlivka> I'll just have to find the source for one of those..
[7:03] <BSlivka> zumbrunn.com has that lovely helma welcome app hosted on it.
[7:03] <zumbrunn_> http://dev.helma.org/trac/helma/browser/apps/gobi/trunk/code
[7:03] <BSlivka> thank you!
[7:03] <BSlivka> very helpful indeed
[7:07] <zumbrunn_> I should probably add very simple user support to the hopobject example code in the helma app
[7:07] <zumbrunn_> ehm.. welcome app - not helma app
[7:09] <BSlivka> In general the helma documentation needs some work, it seems.
[7:09] <BSlivka> the welcome app is very good though
[7:09] <BSlivka> The rest of the documentation should be like that
[7:09] <BSlivka> or at least as helpful
[7:10] <zumbrunn_> (gobi is a lot more complex than such an example needs to be)
[7:10] <zumbrunn_> yes, I'll get going again with improving the docs further
[7:10] <BSlivka> Yeah, I don't get why User _extends Page
[7:10] <BSlivka> maybe because Users each have a page?
[7:11] <zumbrunn_> yes, exactly
[7:11] <zumbrunn_> it wouldn't need to do that in other apps
[7:12] <BSlivka> I guess my main confusion is that Helma has a built in User prototype
[7:12] <BSlivka> but the documentation is not very clear about what features are built into it- Just references two 6 functions on other prototypes
[7:13] <BSlivka> And a brief mention that two columns are required
[7:13] <BSlivka> It's just enough to kind of try some things out- But there isn't any treatment on what having a built in User object is useful for
[7:13] <BSlivka> or any sense of ownership for it
[7:13] <BSlivka> If that makes sense
[7:14] <BSlivka> I don't mean to seem like I am just complaining.
[7:15] <zumbrunn_> please do complain!
[7:15] <zumbrunn_> that way we know what to fix/improve
[7:16] <zumbrunn_> I need to rebuild the reference documentation
[7:16] <zumbrunn_> the current renderings contain some errors
[7:16] <zumbrunn_> for example, the session methods are not all showing up
[7:17] <BSlivka> I am trying to build a simple booking application in helma, basically
[7:18] <BSlivka> So a bit of a firetest on the documentation's usefulness
[7:18] <BSlivka> At some point soon I'd like to get a job working for Maksim Lin
[7:19] <zumbrunn_> http://dev.helma.org/trac/helma/browser/apps/reference/trunk/coreEnvironment/session.js
[7:19] <zumbrunn_> that contains the docs for session methods that are missing in the current reference renderings
[7:20] <zumbrunn_> just session.logout, I believe
[7:21] <BSlivka> Excellent. I must go home now, thanks for the links
[7:21] <zumbrunn_> the app methods for user handling you've probably seen...
[7:21] <zumbrunn_> http://helma.zumbrunn.net/reference/app.html
[7:22] <BSlivka> yeah, registerUser, getUser.. etc..
[7:22] <zumbrunn> yep
[7:23] <BSlivka> The addressbook tutorial needs a couple of fixes too.
[7:23] <zumbrunn> not that I'm aware of...
[7:24] <zumbrunn> what needs to be fixed?
[7:24] <BSlivka> When I went through it the final directory structure didn't match that which was listed
[7:24] <zumbrunn> hmm
[7:24] <BSlivka> I can't remember exactly which file, but one of the files was in a different place
[7:24] <BSlivka> but doesn't effect the functionality of the application
[7:25] <BSlivka> also-minor point, but there's no link to the "create" action in any of the skins
[7:25] <BSlivka> perhaps an excercise for the reader- but missing nonetheless
[7:25] <zumbrunn> yes
[7:26] <BSlivka> One of my jobs is technical editor, so I guess I'm used to finding these things!
[7:26] <BSlivka> Must go now!
[7:26] <BSlivka> thanks for your help
[7:26] <BSlivka> bye
[10:13] <CVertex> hi guys
[10:14] <CVertex> anyone awake on this delightful evening?
[10:14] <CVertex> got any change?
[11:40] <drbobb> http://workingrhino.blogspot.com/
[11:52] <drbobb> do i really like blogger? i don't think so, after all

 

 

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