Hopbot log for 2008-01-05 - Helma IRC channel: #helma on irc.freenode.net

2008-01-05:

[4:22] <aiba> is there a way to cause a reload of type.properties on a running helma instance?
[4:22] <aiba> or is a server restart required
[5:19] <aiba> oops, nevermind, it appears to do this automatically
[16:06] <bard> <newbie>hello, is there a way to access rhino/helma repl from the command line instead of the web console?</newbie>
[16:06] <zumbrunn> hi bard!
[16:06] <zumbrunn> repl?
[16:06] <zumbrunn> what do you mean?
[16:07] <bard> hi zumbrunn :)
[16:07] <bard> read-eval-print-loop... the interactive prompt
[16:08] <zumbrunn> ok, yes, it's possible
[16:08] <zumbrunn> has come up before on this channel
[16:08] <zumbrunn> and I don't remember the outcome then
[16:08] <zumbrunn> nor when that was ;-)
[16:08] <bard> ok, will do some more googling, thanks
[16:09] <zumbrunn> but I do remember that the info on how to do this was mentioned once a very very long time ago on the mailing list
[16:09] <zumbrunn> let me see if I can find it
[16:11] <zumbrunn> are you asking regarding helma specifically, or just rhino in general
[16:11] <zumbrunn> (because the rhino info I have)
[16:11] <zumbrunn> (just looking for the helma one)
[16:12] <zumbrunn> for rhino, it's even mentioned here: http://www.mozilla.org/rhino/scriptjava.html
[16:12] <bard> just helma
[16:12] <zumbrunn> ok, that's what I thought
[16:12] <zumbrunn> looking...
[16:14] <zumbrunn> here is where it came up before: http://helma.zumbrunn.net/hopbot/2007-10-04
[16:14] <zumbrunn> (around 13:50)
[16:14] <bard> I think I've stumbled over your site (zumbrunn.com) and read the "infinite uptimes" post with the "guru meditation" mention. glad to see the Amiga culture is still alive :-)
[16:14] <zumbrunn> :-)
[16:15] <zumbrunn> deja-vu... the info isn't there either
[16:15] <zumbrunn> I was just looking for it then as well
[16:15] <bard> hmmm
[16:16] <bard> is there an "evaluator" object in rhino? getting hold of it and wiring it to a socket might be enough
[16:17] <zumbrunn> found it again: http://helma.org/pipermail/helma-dev/2003-December/000765.html
[16:18] <bard> hmm, I explained myself poorly, sorry. I was thinking more along the lines of getting a shell to running helma apps
[16:19] <zumbrunn> still don't get what you mean, then
[16:19] <bard> any familiarity with erlang or lisp?
[16:19] <bard> or wait
[16:20] <bard> http://hyperstruct.net/projects/mozrepl
[16:20] <bard> I wrote this to do the same with a running firefox
[16:22] <zumbrunn> ok, got you now
[16:22] <bard> :-)
[16:22] <zumbrunn> I don't remember seeing that being done so far, though
[16:23] <zumbrunn> in addition to the web based shell, the debugger can be used for the same
[16:23] <zumbrunn> but I don't know of a way to do it from the cli
[16:23] <bard> ok, I'll peek a bit into the sources
[16:23] <zumbrunn> interesting idea
[18:07] <bard> zumbrunn, are you aware of helma apps other than those in the package, whose source is available?
[18:08] <zumbrunn> antville, twoday, gobi come to mind initially
[18:08] <zumbrunn> what are you looking for?
[18:09] <zumbrunn> http://dev.helma.org/wiki/Related+Projects/
[18:09] <bard> nothing in particular, just real-world examples to get a feeling of best practices
[18:09] * bard slaps himself
[18:10] <bard> right
[18:10] <bard> thank you :-)
[18:10] <zumbrunn> antville is the traditional example of "best practices"
[18:10] <bard> perfect
[18:11] <zumbrunn> gobi is a more recent one, that ventures in slightly more exotic/modern directions
[20:07] <bard> hmm, is it possible to have collections using just the embedded xml db?

 

 

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