Hopbot log for 2008-03-07 - Helma IRC channel: #helma on irc.freenode.net
2008-03-07:
[10:01] <aiba> is the hopbot code available for download?[10:03] <zumbrunn> the current code just reads the LogBot log files
[10:03] <zumbrunn> the hopbot app doesn't directly listen to the channel
[10:03] <zumbrunn> the code is in the pastebin, actually
[10:03] <zumbrunn> http://helma.pastebin.com/f5c3e0377
[10:04] <aiba> oh, awesome. thanks!
[14:19] <jkridner> where do you put that code in the pastebin (hopbot)? What is the license?
[14:20] <jkridner> I know it is simple code (all the real work is in pirc), but I don't want to rip it off and not credit you if you are asking for credit.
[14:22] <zumbrunn> I have it inside a js file in the Global dir of my hopbot app
[14:28] <zumbrunn> uhmm... which license would you like to have it under?
[14:29] <jkridner> public domain is fine. :)
[14:30] <jkridner> just making sure that you wrote it. I'll add a by-line for you.
[14:30] <jkridner> I'll be sharing my code under GPLv2.
[14:30] <zumbrunn> ok, I herewith place my rights to that code into the public domain
[14:30] <zumbrunn> as far as i remember, I wrote it
[14:30] <jkridner> lol. thanks. :)
[14:54] <zumbrunn> btw, as I'm quite interested in the legal aspects of open source licenses, I'm subscribed to the relevant OSI mailing lists
[14:54] <zumbrunn> in the last days, the fellows on license-discuss have been arguing over whether public domain is open source, in full osi/license-discuss tradition
[14:54] <zumbrunn> threads get out of hand quite easily on those lists ;-)
[14:54] <jkridner> I wouldn't call it open source.
[14:54] <zumbrunn> http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:msn:15621:pglbgkapkiopjhidchgg
[14:55] <zumbrunn> there are also those that argue that you can't waive your copyright and place something in the public domain at all
[14:55] <jkridner> I think of open source as having license provisions that try to promote keeping the source open. Public domain is truly "free" software.
[14:55] <jkridner> really?
[14:56] <zumbrunn> yeah, because there is no law that says that you can
[14:56] <jkridner> I don't know why you couldn't have public domain software.
[14:56] <jkridner> oh.
[14:56] <zumbrunn> after the copyright expires, it goes into the public domain
[14:56] <jkridner> if you say that you can have copyright on software, doesn't that provide the possibility for having public domain?
[14:57] <jkridner> well, that goes even further to prove it.
[14:57] <zumbrunn> but there isn't really any "official" way to shortcut that process
[14:57] <jkridner> i think if you recognize copyright, you have to recognize public domain.
[14:57] <jkridner> I've been trying to learn a bit about the difference between contract licenses and property licenses.
[14:58] <zumbrunn> yeah, the whole contract vs license discussion is another can of worms
[14:59] <zumbrunn> what do you mean by "property license"?
[14:59] <jkridner> if you say "contract vs. license", then I just mean license.
[14:59] <zumbrunn> where a license is "not a contract"?
[14:59] <jkridner> as in, something that is granted and can be revoked, not a contract.
[15:00] <zumbrunn> right