Hopbot log for 2008-05-08 - Helma IRC channel: #helma on irc.freenode.net

2008-05-08:

[9:23] <Bohemian86> test
[11:45] <hannesw> chris, are you listening?
[11:46] <hannesw> I'd like to set the topic to something Helma NG related
[11:46] <hannesw> both design and infrastructure stuff...
[12:01] <hannesw> looks like everybody's out for lunch. i'll wait a little bit
[12:13] <grobert> hi hannes
[12:40] * zumbrunn_ is back from walking his dogs
[12:41] <zumbrunn> what should the topic be?
[12:42] <anton_> hannes wanted to talk about some website/infrastructure stuff
[12:43] <zumbrunn> thinking how I should word it
[12:46] <anton_> btw, what means the +v mode? (i am an total irc newbie)
[12:47] <zumbrunn> it *would* mean that you can still talk when the cahnnel is dropped into moderated mode
[12:47] <zumbrunn> but we aren't really using this so far
[12:47] <zumbrunn> so it has no effect at all
[12:48] <anton_> oh, ok
[12:48] <zumbrunn> I'm just voicing people because somehow it brings me happiness ;-)
[12:48] <anton_> hehe
[12:49] <anton_> hannes updated gobi and helma for dev.helma.org yesterday.
[12:50] <anton_> but i still cannot embedd an attached image to a wiki-page. do you know how to do this?
[12:50] <zumbrunn> yeah, I saw his mail message
[12:50] <zumbrunn> well' I just used an image tag when I needed to do it
[12:50] <zumbrunn> in other words, no
[12:51] <anton_> but where are the images after i attach them?
[12:51] <zumbrunn> after you attach them, you can see them listed, or not?
[12:51] <zumbrunn> so you can grab the url from there
[12:51] <anton_> ah. right..
[12:51] <zumbrunn> but really, the image macro should work now, I guess
[12:52] <zumbrunn> where are you trying to do this?
[12:52] <zumbrunn> on the wiki page?
[12:53] <anton_> yes. trying to write a little orm tutorial here: http://dev.helma.org/wiki/Object+Reference+Mapping+%281%3A1%29/
[13:02] <zumbrunn> right, with "this.image" it works
[13:03] <anton_> ah. i see!
[13:28] <hannesw> two things, basically:
[13:28] <hannesw> first I set up a new mailing list for helma ng:
[13:29] <hannesw> http://helma.org/mailman/listinfo/helma-ng
[13:29] <hannesw> it should work, haven't tried yet
[13:29] <hannesw> the other thing is that we might want to create a dedicated wiki space for NG on helma.org
[13:29] <hannesw> what do you think?
[13:33] <zumbrunn> yes, sure...
[13:33] <zumbrunn> what do we call the new wiki?
[13:33] <hannesw> just /ng?
[13:33] <hannesw> or /helma-ng?
[13:34] <hannesw> or should it be contained in the main wiki - /wiki/ng
[13:34] <anton_> i think an extra space called /helma-ng would be the best
[13:34] <zumbrunn> I'm almost tempted to rename the current "docs" to something else, fix all the links that braks and use "docs" for the new ng wiki
[13:35] <zumbrunn> but /helma-ng is fine as well
[13:35] <zumbrunn> or /ng or whatever
[13:35] <grobert> i would prefer /ng
[13:35] <zumbrunn> ok
[13:36] <hannesw> one thing I'd like to add to gobi is to set the title of a page separately from the url name
[13:36] <hannesw> I also like /ng (the helma is in the host name already :-)
[13:37] <grobert> setting the page title separately is a good idea, otherwise urls tend to get a bit long
[13:38] <zumbrunn> the weblog extension for gobi already contains code for that
[13:39] <hannesw> yes, or titles are short
[13:39] <hannesw> but i'd like to do it different - allowing to set the title optionally
[13:39] <hannesw> at least that seems more intuitive to me..
[13:43] <grobert> makes sense
[13:49] <hannesw> not sure about the interface: display two input fields right away? or display the title field on demand?
[13:51] <zumbrunn> when creating, I would certainly only show one
[13:51] <zumbrunn> and not even provide the second option
[13:51] <zumbrunn> when editing...
[13:51] <zumbrunn> hmm
[13:52] <zumbrunn> I guess display both right away
[13:53] <zumbrunn> but leaving the optional one blank
[13:53] <grobert> i'd say so too
[13:54] <zumbrunn> and wording the text above it accordingly
[13:54] <grobert> maybe showing the "name" field on the right of the "parent" chooser would be more self-explanatory
[13:55] <grobert> and the current "name" field could become the "title" one
[13:55] <zumbrunn> the parent chooser is only on the create page, not the edit one
[13:57] <grobert> right, i forgot that
[13:58] <zumbrunn> I would call the default one "Title" and the optional one "Optional URL name"
[14:01] <zumbrunn> (because the other way around it seems confusing)
[14:11] <hannesw> ok, chris, i'm with you here. 'title' is way better than 'name' anyway
[14:11] <hannesw> and i think i can move that "url name" or whatever up to the right, next to parent and type choosers
[14:12] <zumbrunn> if you wanna include it also on the create page, yes
[14:17] <hannesw> well, the url name should be on the create page, shouldn't it?
[14:18] <zumbrunn> doesn't *need* to be
[14:22] <grobert> but then giving the page a short url name would require an extra edit step
[14:23] <zumbrunn> yep
[14:55] <hannesw> A question regarding NG design:
[14:55] <hannesw> do you consider the auto-JSAdapter functionality a great feature, or confusing, or both?
[14:56] <hannesw> (module scopes automatically do JSAdapter metamagic if any of the __get__, __put__ ... functions is defined)
[15:06] <grobert> as far as i'm concerned no, it doesn't confuse me
[15:07] <grobert> on the other hand i can't say if it's a great feature or not, because i didn't play alot with it
[15:08] <grobert> until now
[15:33] <betito> hi all
[15:33] <betito> does anybody here work with information retrieval?
[15:45] <anton_> hi betito!
[15:46] <anton_> i do not work myself with information retrieval, but the guys over at systemone do a lot of such stuff
[15:46] <anton_> so maybe stefan rinner can help you (he is on the mailing list, maybe you try it there also)
[15:47] <hannesw> stefan is sitting behind me, but he's a bit stressed today, so i don't think it's a good idea to bother him now :-)
[15:48] <zumbrunn> re: the JSAdapter metamagic... I don't think it is confusing at all
[15:49] <zumbrunn> it is "new" and not "standard js", but I don't think it would be "confusing", even for newbies
[15:49] <hannesw> ok, good to hear.
[15:55] <betito> i am interested in information retrieval for mobile devices

 

 

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