[3:53]<groovah> Installed trunk of Antville but I'm getting a "java.sql.SQLException: Datasource not defined or unable to load driver: antville." error. The drivers and everything else seems to be ok (in the right places) and the db files are set up too. [4:02]<midnightmonster> do you have datasource antville setup in db.properties? [4:06]<groovah> yes, see http://dpaste.com/58756/ [8:24]<zumbrunn> http://tomthemighty.blogspot.com/2008/06/yes-were-open.html [8:25]<zumbrunn> "In contrast, let's take a look at Helma. Here we have a nice, prominent download link. After downloading it and following the instructions, I had Helma running with a useful admin tool inside of a minute. It even has a default file-system persistence setup in case you don't have a database installed. The first experience is lots of happy juju." [8:26]* zumbrunn wonders what caused the head scratching, though, and how it could be avoided [10:45]<simono> i can relate to the head scratching .. happened to me after coming back to helma [12:46]<simono> i came across HopObject.isVirtual .. how to understand "virtual" ? [12:48]<simono> aha mountpoint is virtual, hm