Hopbot log for 2008-08-14 - Helma IRC channel: #helma on irc.freenode.net
2008-08-14:
[13:40] <midnightmonster> zumbrunn, (and anyone else) did you see the news about ecmascript?[13:41] <zumbrunn> I guess I didn't
[13:41] <zumbrunn> ?
[13:41] <midnightmonster> big, big news, summarized by the man himself: https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es4-discuss/2008-August/003400.html
[13:43] <zumbrunn> oh, I've seen that
[13:43] <zumbrunn> but didn't have time to read it yet
[13:43] <zumbrunn> so, didn't realize yet that it's big news :-)
[13:44] <zumbrunn> ok, I see
[13:45] <zumbrunn> with that, the roadmap Brendan mentioned in recent interviews makes more sense
[13:45] <midnightmonster> ? would have to be very recent interviews, I think, since this is only <1 week old?
[13:46] <zumbrunn> maybe he already thought/hoped this would be the outcome of Oslo
[13:47] <zumbrunn> I'll have to read it later in more detail...
[13:47] <zumbrunn> gotta run right now
[13:47] <zumbrunn> bbl
[13:48] <midnightmonster> I tentatively backed es4-the-previous b/c that was the camp Brendan was in (and I trust him with the language's evolution much more than I would Crockford or MS), but I'm happy to see the various interests coming together on something that one the face seems a lot more appealing to me.
[15:38] <zumbrunn> midnightmonster: dito, here
[15:41] <hzin> hi, just wondering, how usable is Helma NG now?
[15:42] <zumbrunn> (as long as the committee isn't falling in a MS trap to delay the evolution of the language)
[15:43] <zumbrunn> hzin: define "usable" ;-)
[15:43] <zumbrunn> I would say it's perfectly usable
[15:43] <zumbrunn> I'm using it for production projects already
[15:43] <hzin> cool
[15:43] <zumbrunn> but I am the venturous type
[15:44] <zumbrunn> officially, it is alpha
[15:44] <midnightmonster> I have not seriously considered using it for production apps
[15:44] <midnightmonster> (which mostly means using it at all, since I don't have time to play much)
[15:44] <zumbrunn> that's reasonable
[15:44] <hzin> I would like to spend sometime looking at the source code, mainly to see how a js web framework work, should I start with Helma 1.6 or NG?
[15:45] <zumbrunn> which source code?
[15:45] <zumbrunn> java or js?
[15:45] <hzin> java
[15:45] <zumbrunn> (the framework or apps)
[15:45] <hzin> framework
[15:45] <zumbrunn> I would suggest you look at helma-ng
[15:46] <hzin> looks like helma-ng has significantly less java
[15:47] <hzin> how complete is ng feature wise
[15:47] <hzin> I know ORM is not there yet
[15:47] <zumbrunn> there is the hibernate-ng code
[15:47] <hzin> oh ok
[15:52] <midnightmonster> zumbrunn, re: MS, that is a real worry, but I think Brendan's wise to them. and a united-ish committee will probably do at least some good things faster than a very divided one.
[15:52] <zumbrunn> yep
[15:52] <zumbrunn> namespaces being dropped from ES4 means that the module scopes in helma-ng become an even more interesting concept
[16:23] <midnightmonster> zumbrunn, is there a default file object store? still XML or JSON or ?
[16:24] <midnightmonster> would be very interesting, I think, to try hooking 10gen's mongo distributed db
[16:24] <zumbrunn> storage.js, yes, json
[16:24] <zumbrunn> yes, it would be!
[16:25] <zumbrunn> you've spent some time looking into the 10gen stuff, right?
[16:31] <midnightmonster> some, yeah
[16:32] <midnightmonster> trolling the docs a bit and downloaded it but haven't run anything but hello world
[18:15] <midnightmonster> they seem to have some good template stuff, I just don't want to go back to templates at all